Podcast Episode #122: Small Scale Hemp Farming with Len Mackey Len Mackay of Shima Hill Hemp Farm, Canton NY

Mon, 10/5 12:58PM • 46:54


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Jenn Procacci, Len Mackey




Jenn Procacci 00:10
Welcome to CBD college. I am your host, Jennifer Procacci Thanks for listening at the moment. I’ve obtained an ideal visitor with me right here at the moment. Len Mackey. He’s the farmer at Shima Hill farm. And we will be speaking all about his expertise as a primary time hemp farmer. However earlier than we get began with that, I simply need to let that if you happen to assume the CBD college podcast sounds nice, thank the fellows on the bass sound creations. Whether or not you are fascinated about stepping into podcasting, or you have already got a present, I extremely advocate getting in contact with them. They’re going to allow you to with sound modifying and mixing, publishing, even distribution, promotion, branding, content material evaluation, tech assist, and principally each different manufacturing side you may think about, they’ll actually take your present to a complete new stage of high quality and visibility. You may e mail them at information on the bass sound.com ensuring to make use of the coupon code my podcast now to get a free 30 minute session. For extra info, go to the bass sound.com and begin podcasting the best manner now. All proper, I’ve obtained lead Mackie right here with me at the moment. He’s a extremely motivated, adaptable and non secular particular person who has been rising the sacred hashish in small secret gardens from the age of 15. They’re going to be turning 40 on the twentieth Yup, he is a Scorpio. Len presently runs Shima Hill hemp farm outdoors of Canton, New York, and affords historical Earth expertise lessons, little tracker homeschool programming and wellness programs at native universities and on the farm. These embody applications akin to feral human out of doors health, yoga, corrective train and Private Coaching in judo, and West African drum and dance. In earlier incarnations, he was knowledgeable marriage ceremony photographer, unique dancer, ballroom, instructor, Reiki practitioner, and fashionable dance accompanist. Both he’s a renaissance man or he simply has a DD. He is unsure which a northern New York native, he grew up getting stung by honeybees and the household backyard and taking part in within the woods searching, fishing, trapping and speaking with the Earth Spirits. As an artist. He has been the recipient of artwork begin and decentralization grants offered by New York State by the St. Lawrence County Arts Council for six years now, providing music efficiency and cultural training. He’s the founding father of the YouTube channel historical Earth expertise lead Mackey, and track of the spheres included multimedia firm specializing in training

and leisure for youngsters of all ages. Discover him on Instagram at historical Earth expertise. All proper, lead Are you right here with us at the moment?

Len Mackey 03:06
I am right here in a single type or one other?

Jenn Procacci 03:09
Nice, thanks a lot for taking the time to hitch me. And as we get began at the moment, I simply wished to ask you to share with our listeners, what’s your private relationship to hashish?

Len Mackey 03:20
Properly, I have been interacting with that stunning plant since I used to be a youngster, utilizing it for leisure functions to calm down, to hope to present choices within the morning. And first began rising it after I was simply allowed there about 15 and, , at all times had a grand adventures, sneaking out to my little gardens and attempting to go away Not a hint or a monitor. So it has been fairly an journey going from that sort of relationship to the one I’m in now which is authorized farm right here in New York, rising hemp, CBD and CBG hemp. So it has been completely the best pleasure, no full of blood, sweat and tears, after all, however numerous pleasure, working by way of this course of and really with the ability to develop the fantastic plant out within the open area with the irrigation and all of the fertilizer and love that I may presumably put upon her. So it has been an exquisite dance with this plant. And , it is helped me in so some ways. I can not even actually matter them. So yeah, I’ve a whole lot of gratitude for hashish. That’s for positive. Fantastic. Thank

Jenn Procacci 04:39
you for sharing that I do as properly. So we positively have that in frequent. So that you talked about that you have cultivated hashish earlier than. However how did you get began with hemp farming? Is that this one thing you thought you’ll ever do? 

Len Mackey 04:52
It is sort of attention-grabbing, truly. I used to be dwelling in an intentional group known as birdsfoot Farm not removed from right here. Simply in all probability half mile down the street, the place I met an exquisite fellow named Phil Hosking, who’s the person who owns the land right here. And as my farming companion, and Phil has been cultivating medicinal hashish for quite a lot of years in California, and, , had sufficient success to have the ability to purchase the farm right here. So it is sort of like a prayer answered truly, as a result of the earlier landowner, I have been searching right here and doing chook habitat initiatives sponsored by Audubon Society and stuff to develop the land for various species. And the earlier landowner was truly planning to log the forest. And I did not have the cash to purchase the land. So I used to be like, please, , no matter you are known as, cease this, no matter, simply make it. So this does not happen. And so it wasn’t just a few months after that, that fell on the shopping for the land. And he knew that I had been gardening for some time, and we had relationship whereas he was visiting there with a girlfriend of his. So we instantly developed an exquisite rapport, after which couple years go by, and he is like, hey, Len, you need to develop some hemp? I am like, Properly, let me give it some thought. And actually, , I did not have to consider it that lengthy. As a result of it was extra like a dream coming true than something, as a result of I would at all times wished that it was completely authorized for me to domesticate hashish. And now it’s right here in New York. So I’m actually blessed. Oh, that is

Jenn Procacci 06:38

an exquisite and heartwarming story you shared with us simply there. Thanks. So it feels like you will have a fairly sturdy connection to the land that you simply work on. And the way does that connection that you’ve got with the land inform your farming practices.  

Len Mackey 06:53

positively, in each manner that I can attempt to be a caretaker of the land, the soil. This yr, we experimented with quite a lot of strategies of no until farming, in addition to some tail and canopy cropping for College of Vermont experiment that surveyed completely different cowl crop strategies. So , principally attempting to make as little affect as doable. And truly, , over time, if there is a method to discover methods to enhance the soil, to enhance the native forest, with a little bit tracker program, we planted in all probability over 500, black walnut seeds thus far, instructing the youngsters about major, secondary and tertiary instructions, like okay, let’s Chuck walnuts to the east, to the south, to the west, to the north, , so looking for enjoyable methods to counterpoint the land right here for future generations within the hemp area and within the surrounding atmosphere, , chook habitat, and, , numerous nuts for the squirrels and for the people as properly, hopefully, sooner or later. In order that’s sort of what actually motivates me extra than simply loving farming and watching issues develop and tending to the soil and seeing the fruits of our labors in a direct manner. However hoping to, , go one thing good on to the subsequent one’s arising.

Jenn Procacci 08:25
Yeah, that is actually fantastic. It feels like stewarding the land and in addition involving the group. We’re positively objectives of yours with this mission. Did you will have some other objectives that you simply hopefully realized, or maybe did not? Properly, I

Len Mackey 08:38
guess, , numerous little objectives and large objectives and simply beginning the farm right here from scratch. And first, okay, I obtained to construct a greenhouse, obtained some recycled components, okay, how can I put this collectively. So it is like a someday at a time going through the little challenges, like blow ups within the irrigation on a sizzling day when the hose was not working and fixing it with a bit of an outdated didgeridoo, , discovering these challenges alongside the way in which are enjoyable and good to navigate. However I am hoping finally that by way of all this, that we are able to truly make a really profitable farm right here. And , I’ve a great deal of scholar debt from my research and Rochester Institute of Expertise, finding out images. So if I may eradicate that, Oh, properly, that may simply be superb. And actually, I suppose, dwelling life with the intent to create medication and issues that feed the individuals in quite a lot of manners, , quite a lot of methods, from simply meals and the fiber and in addition issues to eradicate their ache or assist them sleep or, , regulate their feelings or no matter it might be. That makes me actually comfortable. And in order that manner, , when it is my time to feed the backyard, I can die comfortable man, I suppose. That is fantastic.

Jenn Procacci 10:09
So was this the primary farming mission that you simply took on by your self? It sounds such as you did some farming earlier than on the intentional group maybe. And , it sounds such as you’ve had your hashish secret gardens on the market. However is that this your first type of bigger scale solo farming mission?

Len Mackey 10:25
Yeah, that is my first full on industrial farming endeavor. So it is like positively upscale all the pieces. And, , rising up, we had a backyard and I had strawberries and beans. And, , we at all times hunted for meals. And so I’ve at all times had an actual shut connection to that, and did some gardening at birdsfoot farm. And, , it is had little private gardens alongside the way in which. And so, , with all the pieces that is occurring on the planet, now, I used to be very a lot comfortable to right away turn out to be a full time farmer. And spend a whole lot of time right here outdoors and, , alongside the hemp group, numerous squash and pumpkins, and would have had a little bit of corn, however the raccoon ate all that. So, , attempting to lift some geese and a few chickens and a bunch of sizzling peppers and potatoes and different good things. So, , at this level in my life, simply my coronary heart tells me this, my thoughts tells me this makes essentially the most sense, not less than for me personally to, , farm and be taught as a lot as I can alongside the way in which.

Jenn Procacci 11:40
That is proper. I feel us farmers are fairly fortunate proper now with the state of the world, to be out right here on the land, with the ability to present, , meals for ourselves and hopefully for our communities as properly. I am a farmer. Additionally, I’ve a licensed hashish farm right here in California known as wild land hashish. And I am sustainable as I presumably will be. I attempt to incorporate regenerative strategies into my farming practices. So I would like to ask you some questions on your farming strategies. You talked about some companion planting and a few cowl cropping and that you simply had some poultry otherwise you rising your hemp within the floor. And what sort of irrigation are you utilizing? Would you simply speak a little bit bit about your farming strategies for us?

Len Mackey 12:25
Positive, yeah, we did quite a lot of completely different planting strategies. This yr, we did three rows of row detailed with quite a lot of cowl crops, principally finding out the consequences of, , utilizing haylage, black plastic clover or nothing in any respect by way of an experiment we did with College of Vermont. In order that was fairly attention-grabbing. And we have been gathering knowledge and we’ll be persevering with to do this by way of the ultimate product. So we did that we additionally did a bunch of no until the place we principally dug holes on the bottom and added a pleasant mixture of vitamins after which simply flip the sod over and use that to assist maintain the grass again. We did some completely different companion planting strategies. We planted row of buckwheat and helps to usher in issues that may maintain the aphids down or draw the aphids away from the hemp and really ended up actually serving to us out when the Romans got here in and began girdling the crops and attacking the faucet roots, tree gum and cayenne pepper was a serious deterrent after which on the time to the shrews got here into the backyard because the buckwheat additionally got here into its full fruit, which drew the voles and different issues away from the hemp. In order that was very, very useful. And within the area there we mowed however, , principally disturbed as little as doable and there is, , naturally occurring golden rod and vetch and cleavers, , or bedstraw, and different grasses and issues which are diversifying the world. So I feel that basically helped maintain the pests down. We had nearly no pestilence apart from the mice, which occurred instantly after they hate the sector. They moved proper in. In order that appeared to essentially regulate the aphids, as a result of our mates have a farm not removed from right here. They usually inform all the pieces and so they had a critical aphid drawback final yr, however we hardly noticed a single one. So I feel having that range and, , disturbing the soil as little as doable was actually a boon for us alongside the buckwheat. We additionally experimented with planting completely different mints in with a few of the CBG to presumably encourage the terpene manufacturing of the crops and we will play extra with that I feel sooner or later. So yeah, we now have a bunch of various issues we’re taking part in with right here completely different experiments. So it is at all times enjoyable to see, what occurs?

Jenn Procacci 15:08
Yeah, that is tremendous cool. I develop mint in my hashish backyard additionally with the identical hope of accelerating terpene manufacturing, and I develop another companion crops for that function as properly. Yarrow is considered one of them, sage, I develop some beebalm. And I can aishah in there too. And I jury’s out, I feel on whether or not or not it is elevated my terpene manufacturing, nevertheless it appears stunning. And the useful bugs find it irresistible, , the bees are everywhere in the males and the beebalm within the akinesia. And it simply provides to the sort of like excessive vibe of the entire backyard, in my view. In order that’s superior that you simply’re doing that good for you. You talked about a number of completely different sorts of experiments you probably did with various kinds of cowl cropping and type of like tilling versus not tilling, was there one mixture of those who appeared to work the perfect?

Len Mackey 15:59
Properly, , it is attention-grabbing, so far as ease fluidity, and , the ergonomics of placing within the crops and digging the holes and getting ready the sector, positively having the Rose rototill made that course of quite a bit quicker and simpler. And people plans did do very well. We principally put black plastic on one portion, one other portion was seeded with clover, one other portion was lined with haylage, , composted hay. After which the ultimate part was simply left to the open air. And truly a complete lot of chenopodium or lambsquarters ended up shifting in there. From one of many experimental rows with the buckwheat, I feel we now have a bunch of migrants. So these crops did fairly properly. And one factor I did discover have been within the rows the place the world the place it was not lined with something, the crops appear to develop much more vertically, and so they have been taller and skinnier than the opposite ones, which was attention-grabbing. , it was such a dry yr, I do not know if that was a mirrored image of the taproot going deeper and straighter versus having the duvet of the opposite stuff to maintain within the moisture. I am unsure, precisely. However that was fairly noticeable. I have never calculated the ultimate weights and measures have bucked flower and trim flower but. In order that would be the last sort of inform story for that experiment. And, , the largest crops that we had, have been truly in a bit of the backyard the place we did no until. However they occur to be within the space the place the hillside drained. And a whole lot of the vitamins I feel, settled on this one row. And in order that soil was notably wealthy. And I imply, these crops simply did superb. And that was principally simply digging about an 18 inch gap, a foot and a half down and placing in, , our rooster poop and bone char and micro riser and different good things. And, , having a drip line irrigation system that was run off of a pump that got here out of the Little River, it is a small river that runs by way of the land right here, made it very easy and simply saved us as a result of we had the driest yr right here, I feel on file in some circumstances. And so having the drip irrigation was very, very, I imply, simply important to the bounty of the backyard this yr. Yeah, we use the gold pump, a xylem pump that work simply improbable and could possibly be used for a bigger space than what we ended up cultivating, which wasn’t in all probability extra rather more than an acre. We put in about 470 some crops and after we misplaced possibly three dozen to the rodents, after which another , facet injury. And we had some teeny tiny cherry wines. One thing to do with these genetics, we had about 40 crops out of 100 and a few seed that was planted simply be like these little bonds eyes, and so they have been so cute, however they did not get very huge. So yeah, that was humorous. So we planted them in with the buckwheat. And that was sort of like our tribute to the cherry wine and to the hashish and to the earth. , a little bit providing and thanksgiving gratitude. Undoubtedly. That is a giant a part of it too. , with each seed planted and each transplanting and each planting and simply little choices of gratitude and herbs and prayers of Thanksgiving. , I feel it sweetens the medication that rather more.

Jenn Procacci 19:43
Yeah, completely. And I do know after we had spoke earlier about getting ready for this interview at the moment, you talked about that there was this non secular part of what you do is essential to you. So would you communicate to that for our listeners? Yeah, I

Len Mackey 19:57
guess. It simply makes me really feel good. To say thanks. And, , I’m very a lot a believer, I really feel very deeply in my coronary heart that crops are simply as acutely aware as animals are. And, , they may talk on completely different frequencies, electromagnetic frequencies that possibly we do not detect as a lot with our mind, however extra with the receptors in our coronary heart and our intestine, , these neurons are sort of like, an antenna for these indicators. And so I really feel very a lot that crops and animals, , any dwelling factor within the water or the air, all of it has, , that frequency and so feels excellent to me to simply acknowledge all these forces and I really feel very a lot that the the crops actually reply to it had an indoor a small indoor backyard as soon as in a small facet room on this house I used to be renting, and I might sit in there with them, and I might play the didgeridoo and simply ship them , loving vitality. And Reiki simply sort of mentioned that intent and I swear to God, they’d go from like, this relaxed state, after which they’d simply slowly go, woo. And they’d simply arise. And I do not know if I used to be simply hallucinating it however or if it was simply all the surplus co2 from my breath. However yeah, I can not assist however discover, , how crops reply to,

Jenn Procacci 21:34
, our intent? Completely. And I’ve to say, I do not assume you might be in all probability hallucinating it in any respect. I feel that there is completely a non secular connection between individuals and crops and animals. All of us coexist right here on this realm collectively, we’re all positively working on completely different frequencies, such as you talked about, however all of our existences intersect with one another. And we’re all dependent upon one another, in some ways, the connection between crops which are cultivated by people, and the those that domesticate them. And the historical past behind that’s completely fascinating. So even simply by farming, any plant, I feel you are engaged in a deeper non secular relationship with that plant, in all probability past our consciousness past what we are able to even perceive as individuals, , the plant creates a relationship with us, it needs us to develop it, it needs us to assist it survive to assist it evolve. After which the plant helps us evolve additionally, particularly hashish. I imply, it is one of the vital tangible crops in that regard, the place we are able to actually bodily really feel the change and the shift after we ingest it. Have you ever ingested any of the hemp that you have grown this yr? Have you ever smoked any of it?

Len Mackey 22:49
Sure, I have been having fun with it. It is my first expertise with CBG flour. And I additionally develop my very own tobacco, some abenaki and Mohawk strains and acquire maulin and incorporate Sage into completely different smoking blends, , for medicinal mixtures. And I’m an enormous fan of the CBG as a result of it actually, I wish to be awake and shifting and grooving and doing stuff. And , till I am like able to fade into my pillow, , I need that sort of stimulation. And in order that has simply been superb the CBG manner. I’ve actually been mixing that in quite a bit additionally with common THC strains and the CBD is the lifters been fairly scrumptious and the S r1 have not sampled the cherry wine but. It is nonetheless being barked. And that’s very nice. When I’m able to quiet down and relaxation or sleep. There is a native professor who brings me eggs, he has chickens that he raises natural eggs from. So I have been giving him a few of the CBD flour. And , talked about to him about how he may extract it in coconut oil or ghee or butter after which put it into some sort of tea. , and I requested him, , do you need to be awake or do you need to like hang around on the sofa? He is like, Oh, yeah, I positively need to hang around on the sofa. And yeah, he is such a stunning fella, however he does get pleasure from his leisure time. So he mentioned he and his spouse made some tea with it and he mentioned, Ah, we simply slept like infants land. He mentioned I used to be nice. So I am having expertise with the flowers and folks are as properly. Once we have been speaking earlier I discussed my good friend Madison and her household rising hemp at grass river hemp outdoors of Canton right here. They do the native farmers markets and so they produce some fantastic oils like a maple taste Oil, oh my god, it is like a little bit dropper of desert, it is so good. After which only a common taste, after which additionally some bombs. And they also’ve been handing them out on the farmers markets, and a few individuals will stroll by and be like, Oh, , it is, it is the pot individuals or this or that, and, , they don’t seem to be positive what to assume. And a few individuals might be like, Oh, , what is that this, , and sort of proach it, , cautiously and so there’s this one girl who had Fibromyalgia has had it for quite a lot of years. And, , not one of the pharmaceutical meds are working for her. And so, , she had heard about CBD, however, , wasn’t actually positive as a result of it was associated to hashish and marijuana. And people sorts of stigmas have been taking part in behind her thoughts. And so she did not need to pattern the precise CBD oil, as a result of she was afraid it will have an effect on her capability to drive, although it isn’t intoxicating, , she wasn’t conscious of that. And so she did put some bomb although, on her shoulders in her palms, and, , simply walked across the market. And so after about quarter-hour, she got here again to Madison’s sales space. And he or she’s like, Oh, my God, I really feel such reduction. I can not even let you know. She’s like, I must get some tinctures. So she purchased a few the tinctures and one other factor of the balm and introduced them residence and began dosing them. And the subsequent day, she left quarter-hour, voicemail on Madison’s cellphone, , apologizing for being so lengthy, however that she had all this stuff to say. And so she was saying how she, , had tried the the oil. And he or she truly for the primary time and years, she discovered some reduction and really was dropped at the purpose of tears and the message. And now she’s like, please, , inform everybody, my story. And I hope that it could assist much more individuals and he or she’s simply thanking Madison a lot. And so I am discovering a whole lot of profit. And the individuals locally that are not even accustomed to it at the moment are simply discovering it and discovering like very direct and quick outcomes. , I’ve mates who give small quantities of CBD to their kids, and that helps them to be extra emotionally balanced and be extra targeted. And so I really feel very eager for , hemp and imagine a lot within the energy of this plant as medication. I imply, to not point out, just like the meals and clothes and shelter. And , I imply, you may truly make hearth by friction with it. Such an unimaginable plan. And , we have lived with it for therefore lengthy that, , as you are saying it needs us to assist it and it needs to assist us and I am actually seeing a whole lot of profit from the CBD and CBG flowers personally and

Jenn Procacci 28:04
throughout. That is such a stupendous story you will have about that group member along with her fibromyalgia. And a query that I had for you was about your group and hemp farming and the way these issues had intersected and interacted with each other. There’s a lot stigma nonetheless surrounding hashish and hemp, that are the identical factor. All all through the nation. And in locations like California, the place I develop hashish, it is in methods extra accepted, though there’s nonetheless positively stigma, however you are on the east coast. Completely, , completely different tradition and atmosphere. Was there any unfavorable response out of your group in direction of your hemp farm or your mates have farmer different hemp farms within the space are individuals like shocked to see weed crops being thrown out within the open, possibly positively shocked possibly negatively? Possibly a little bit scared

Len Mackey 29:00
or issues principally they’re like, wow, that is stunning. , positively get the total gamut, the total spectrum reactions like my mother was on the hairdresser’s telling a girl who does her hair that I , obtained a license with my good friend to develop, , authorized hemp in New York and he or she was like, Oh, properly, who’s he grown up with? And it is unlawful and rummer , simply began firing 1,000,000 questions, , and my mother was like, man, I virtually want I hadn’t even advised her. So, , you will have these sorts of reactions the place individuals are like, properly, what are they doing is , it is obtained to be unlawful or it is obtained to be unhealthy or , due to these sort of unconscious seeds which have been planted. However then , my mates at Little River ham, they’ve a farm on the opposite facet of Canton, on one of many sort of major highways there. And my buddy Joe who There, he is the primary farmer. It is truly on his land. He mentioned, there’s at all times individuals driving up and like stopping and like pulling over and simply wanting on the area or they’re going to drive up and decelerate and like peek out or they’re going to drive by and honk, . So you may you may sense the joy, and maybe a level of apprehension, but in addition like nice entry. As a result of I feel someplace deep down it doesn’t matter what somebody’s thoughts is telling them, like another sensor of their physique is like, Oh, that is one thing excellent. And it positive is gorgeous.

Jenn Procacci 30:41
Completely. tremendous stunning. Have you ever Are any of your different have farmer mates had any issues with theft?

Len Mackey 30:48
, truly, Joe’s like, yeah, I am simply ready to get up within the morning and see like a giant chunk gone. However fortuitously, that by no means occurred. We over right here by no means had anyone residence and mess with the crops. Now we have had a trespasser on the land, a man who likes to wander throughout individuals’s property together with his 4 wheeler, however he did not mess with the backyard. I feel he has his personal secret backyard anyway. So he is in all probability simply attempting to put low at this level. So we did not have any hassle. And there is one other farm out off of Route 37. And I do not actually know them. I have never met them simply but. I’ve simply heard completely different tales and stuff. However fortuitously, I have never heard a lot about theft. , I feel some individuals like may additionally assume, Oh, it is hemp? Why would we steal that? , proper? As a result of we are able to get excessive off it or I imply, who is aware of? Which is ok with me, ? So, , fortuitously, we have not had any and actually, like, we solely had one leaf on one plant of the cherry wine nibbled by the deer. And he or she took a little bit chew out of the tip of 1 leaf after which determined to eat the lambs quarters proper subsequent to it as an alternative.

So, ,

Jenn Procacci 32:04
yeah, I am simply imagining myself as a highschool scholar and my mates sneaking into the hemp area to snip some bugs. However I am glad that hasn’t occurred in any noticeable capability. Do you guys have a fence? Like, what are your life? Your necessities from the state? I suppose is what I am actually asking right here. As a result of, , I develop hashish out right here in California, you develop hemp in New York, prefer it’s the identical plant spoiler alert for everyone on the market. It simply has completely different ranges of sure compounds, similar factor. However , we now have to have all types of loopy safety necessities, cameras and fences and stuff like that, regardless that have been manner out in the course of completely nowhere. So is there something like that, that you must adjust to? And do you will have inspections? Like What’s your relationship like with the state of New York when it comes to your hemp operation?

Len Mackey 33:00
So far as like fencing and safety and stuff goes? We’ve not Not that I am conscious of. I imply, ours is an open area, my buddy’s handle over him, there’s an open area, we do have to supply, , after we apply for a license, we now have to , have like coordinates of the place the backyard might be after which the place it will likely be processed and dried and saved. So we now have to have all that stuff sort of laid out for the state. And we had a really pleasant fellow Chris from Ag and markets COMM And he got here and checked out the sector earlier than there was something in it, however the wild grasses and cleavers and the golden rod. After which he got here again within the spring after I would put up the greenhouse and began the seeds. After which he got here again afterward after we had planted and , was intrigued by the companion planting and stuff we have been doing so he had a one other native farmer out additionally her first yr rising and Ruby botanicals there in Vermont under the Adirondacks, the lightful hardworking spirited woman, and he or she got here out with a pleasant and so they checked out the farm. So I’ve had a really, very pleasant relationship thus far with the state. And we have needed to make some amendments to our license utility. Simply issues obtained modified round and stuff. However all in all, it has been fairly optimistic. They did not come out and really examine or take a look at our flower this yr that we did that on our personal, nevertheless it’s fairly relaxed so far as like safety. , we do not have to have a fence or cameras or something that I am conscious of at this level. So, , I do not know if that can change. If we when New York does legalize leisure hashish if we may presumably get a license for that. If there might be completely different necessities, and I do know that this yr the state simply modified all of the laws and made it a complete lot costlier and all that to develop CBD, Hashish, or CBD hemp, so issues are positively altering on a regular basis right here. Like we did not even know if New York was going to be in cost subsequent yr or if the feds have been till like a pair weeks in the past. So it has been sort of a rocky trip with that. However, , simply attempting to make all the pieces work positively, as greatest we are able to. At this level, actually?

Jenn Procacci 35:36
Yeah, sounds such as you’re on the hashish curler coaster trip identical to everybody in the entire nation who’s cultivating hashish or have been any capability. It is like, issues are altering each 5 seconds. And also you simply should breathe and let go and be so grateful on your alternative to work with the plant as a result of in any other case you will simply drive your self loopy attempting to plan the subsequent transfer. It is like, you actually simply should glide, it appears at this level,

Len Mackey 36:05
I’m going the move and we’ll by no means give up.

We’ll by no means quit. Precisely proper.

Jenn Procacci 36:13
That is precisely proper. What do you see as the marketplace for your hemp flour this yr? Are you going to attempt to promote it as smokeable flour or tincture or bombs combo? What are you pondering for that?

Len Mackey 36:27
I am at this level in New York. See, it is sort of bizarre, I do not absolutely perceive the laws round it. As a result of I do know some farms like there is a farm downstate that is ready to promote hemp flour tea on the farmers market. However then there’s additionally some sort of factor the place we’re not speculated to promote the smokeable flour within the States. So if we are able to promote it as tea, then maybe it may be marketed in that manner. However then after I go to the native smoke store, they’ve hemp flour in there, they’ve an oz., and so they have 1 / 4 ounce and all that stuff. So it is actually like actually complicated for me at this level so far as like what we’re allowed to do and what we’re not allowed to do or how we’re allowed to current it. So my plan is at this level, as a result of , the hemp flour is there within the retailer, I would wish to go and begin domestically on the native well being meals retailer providing it additionally Phil has some connections with some pretty individuals that could be concerned with CBD or CBD and urgent that into oil. We have additionally talked about that, although, at this level, , being the very first yr sort of wanting extra merely simply so far as like, what can we do with simply the flour at this level? , and the way marketable is that. After which if that’s not as marketable as we wish, then we may change it into a unique type, just like the tinctures and bombs and stuff like our mates are. So at this level, we’re going primarily for smoke flower out of state gross sales, or in state t. In order that’s principally what we had in thoughts at this level. And we truly did have our first pound sale yesterday.

Jenn Procacci 38:15

Len Mackey 38:17
Oh, that is improbable. Yeah. Oh, I used to be so comfortable. . So I imply, at this level has been just about volunteer work, nevertheless it’s a labor of affection. So what can we do? Completely.

Jenn Procacci 38:29
Congratulations in your first sale on 1111. That is fairly cosmic.

Len Mackey 38:35
Oh, yeah. Yeah, good timing.

Jenn Procacci 38:37
Proper. I hope that bodes properly for the remainder of your gross sales.

Len Mackey 38:41

Jenn Procacci 38:42
So it looks as if we’re shifting in direction of the tip of our time right here collectively at the moment. So I simply wished to provide the alternative to lift any matters that you simply want to that we have not lined but, or share something with our podcast listeners that we have not shared but.

Len Mackey 38:57
I suppose, , it doesn’t matter what occurs, simply carry on going. All these challenges that we face, on the planet rising this explicit plant. And past that, it has been mentioned that, , we now have no management over the fruits of our labors. However all we now have is our labors. And so I suppose if we are able to simply do what we love, then we’re placing out that sort of vitality into the world. And so it doesn’t matter what occurs makes even a small distinction. , each pebble dropped within the pond creates a ripple that, , as you have been saying earlier than, all issues are related and all the pieces feels so no, I might simply say to individuals comply with your coronary heart and won’t lead you astray.

Jenn Procacci 39:41
That is stunning and and it is so true. I completely agree with you there. And I do know that you simply do a whole lot of different actions outdoors of your hemp farming. So would you share your different expertise with our listeners and inform them how they’ll get in contact with you or discover out extra in regards to the different stuff that you simply do?

Len Mackey 39:57
Positive, yeah. infatuate with indigenous information from all cultures everywhere in the world, and so, , I have been finding out intensively survival and historical dwelling expertise for the previous variety of years, after which fishing and searching and all that good things since I used to be a child. So we now have a little bit tracker, homeschool program right here, and we do completely different expertise, I’ve a YouTube channel, have been simply getting on the market. Now. There’s some edible medicinal plant research on there. Some movies on tips on how to make hearth by friction. Within the winter time or after rains, you understand how to stop hypothermia and people sorts of issues. So yeah, I attempt to share that stuff and retains me related to this place that I dwell in. And so if you happen to’re in search of extra, , with reference to these sorts of expertise, you may go on YouTube, it is historical Earth expertise, sprint Len Mackey. Or you will discover me on Instagram at historical Earth expertise. And I would like to share all these items with all people obtained to maintain it alive, and go it on to the subsequent ones arising. And yeah, additionally, , positively if you happen to’re concerned with any of our fantastic hemp, you may attain out to us at Shima, Hill [email protected] Me and my brother Phil might be very grateful for all of the assist in these endeavors. And I simply need to thanks, too, a lot, Jen for this excellent alternative. I simply really feel so blessed to satisfy somebody on the planet who’s doing such good issues as you might be and , so I simply really feel fairly honored to be part of it and simply need to say thanks so very a lot.

Jenn Procacci 41:42
Thanks to Glenn. It has been so uplifting and exquisite to talk with you this morning. It is so necessary for us to stay related throughout this very disturbing and isolating time that we’re all going by way of. So thanks for sharing your positivity and your information and simply your entire nice insights with me and with our listeners on the market for spreading this love that you’ve got for the hashish plant and the hemp plant. They’re the identical plant. Thanks for thanks for sharing that pleasure with us all. And would you simply do me a favor and spell Shima hill so that everybody is aware of how they’ll get in contact with you?

Len Mackey 42:18
Oh positive. Shima Hill is s h i m a capsule h i ll Shima Hill hem. Gmail.

Jenn Procacci 42:28
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